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  GB making their exit before the GT??

  by stephenlettclownface in

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  did i misinterpret something or read something wrong?.

  did the gb say recently that they are to be dead or pulled out of earthly existence before the great tribulation?.

  if so, can someone point me to jw literature or a thread on this topic?.

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  Sea Breeze

  Hail to the King of JW's :

  

  And blessed be his parents who raised such a king:

  
  
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  Thanking Jehovah God for Sports

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. beliefs

  serena william's thanks jehovah god for allowing her to participate in sports.

  how nice.

  my jw parents followed the rules and thought they were doing jehovahs will by denying me participation in sports.

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  Serena William's thanks Jehovah God for allowing her to participate in sports. How nice. My JW parents followed the rules and thought they were doing Jehovahs will by denying me participation in sports. "Bad association spoils useful habits". How many of you remember that?

  I was very agressive as a teen. 6' tall at 15. Somewhat husky, and fearless. Uncoached for sure. Smoked pot every day to deal with the pain of being a pariah for the Watchtower.

  I'm now 61. My youngest is 17, going into 12th grade next year. He is captain of the football team. 6' 2' . 240 LBS. - Lineman. Very mild personality.... not like me. Doesn't mind being hurt, like me.
  
  Praise Jah you people.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2drtxOH_88
  
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  What's next?

  by lastmanstanding in

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  what's next for the world?

  a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

  and i shared that map with various friends.

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  Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.

  The way in which God deals with man changes a bit from dispensation to dispensation. We are at the end of the church-age (age of grace as opposed to Law).

  Like I previously stated, man was always saved by faith through grace regardless of the dispensation though.

  Out of all the dispensations, the sweetest deal offered is in the church-age.

  During The GT, believers will have a rougher go of it. During that time, especially for the Jews, “he that endures until the end will be saved”.

  But, without question, like in the scriptures I presented, Church-Age believers enjoy salvation NOW.

  ”and no one shall pluck them out of my hand”
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  What's next?

  by lastmanstanding in

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  what's next for the world?

  a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

  and i shared that map with various friends.

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  Sea Breeze

  1 Corinthians 11:19

  “For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.”

  Church- Age Christians have an approved status with God now.

  16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God. - Romans 8
  

  They have as a witness the spirit of Christ that resides inside them.

  “If any man have not the spirit of Christ he is none of his.”

  Like in a real harvest, there are the “first fruits”, then the general harvest, after that the gleanings.
  
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  What's next?

  by lastmanstanding in

  1. watchtower
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  what's next for the world?

  a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

  and i shared that map with various friends.

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  @Duran

  The first three chapters of Revelation are about the Church. After chapter 3, the Church (all born again believers since Pentecost) are not seen again for the rest of the book (Tribulation) until Christ returns to defeat the Anti-Christ and accept the throne (now whole-heartedly) offered to him by his brothers - the Jews. So, all of Revelation after chapter 3 refers to various people separate from Church-Age believers.
  
  The first time he came was to be a curse, in our place. So, the people cursed him by murdering him. "Cursed is every man who hangeth upon a tree". " He who knew no sin became sin for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God". His loss was our incredible gain. Christians trade places positionally with Jesus. This is a very favored position, in exchange for nothing more than trusting Jesus.

  So, like you asked: If co-called Christians are gone during such time, why does it call for endurance and faith for them during that time? And how does the beast/8th king wage war and conquer them, if they are not here?

  Just because Christians are evacuated out during the GT doesn't mean that God has stopped being in the business of saving people - far from it.
  
  1. People who become believers after the Rapture are commonly referred to as Tribulation Saints. There is some debate as to whether or not these believers make up part of the "Bride of Christ" or not. But, it is clear that many believers will emerge on earth at this time but will likely be killed for their faith in Jesus. They are not forgotten since they became family members too. All that is left of "The Church" on earth at this time is the empty husk of Christianity, The Laodicean Church. The real Church will be gone, in heaven having the biggest party you can imagine. But, Jesus will still save individual believers who put faith in him...as he always has. People were always saved by faith regardless of the time period they lived in.

  2. Then, there are Jews who put faith in Christ after Jesus raises up the real 144K male Jewish virgin evangelists and also sends the "two witnesses" to Jerusalem (Likely Moses and Elijah). If you'll recall, they were previously raptured to Heaven, in the case of Elijah, rather dramatically in a chariot of fire. Remember: "All Israel will be saved" ... that is, ALL those that are still alive at his return. A remnant will be saved.

  3. Then, there is perhaps 1/4 of the general population that are still alive on earth after all the wars of the Anti-Christ. Jesus makes it clear that if they did not go along with the murderous plan of the A/C to murder all the Jews, then as King he welcomes them into his Millenium Reign, which will be global, but will still have many nations under his jurisdiction -

  - And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. - Jesus

  As you can see, this commonly accepted endtimes scenario is vastly different from the WT .God is in the business of saving people all they way to the Millinial Reign and during it as well. People on earth during the Thousand Year Reign will still have their sin natures to deal with. Christians on the other hand are totally glorified in their soul, body and spirit after Glorification. Right now, a Christian only receives a new spirit at his moment of Salvation - a "down payment" or, "ernest" money as the King James puts it. Christians still deal with the sin nature in their bodies and in their soul (minds). But at the Rapture, Christians will have the sin nature permanently removed forever, receiving a purified soul and a glorified body (like the body Jesus received after his resurrection) .... thank God!
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  What's next?

  by lastmanstanding in

  1. watchtower
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  what's next for the world?

  a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

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  @KerryKing

  Billions of Christians do not fear a global melt down. Jesus asked people over and over to "fear not". God says that because he has not appointed us to see the coming wrath, it is reality to rejoice over:

  The reign of the Anti-Christ will be beyond dreadful. There will be nowhere to hide because of technology. But, because Jesus is in a contractural relationship with believers, analgalous to a marriage; the Lord will not make us go through this difficult time where perhaps 3/4 of the world's population will be reduced in horrible ways.
  
  God is not a wife beater.

  But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; 5for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness;... 9For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him. 11Therefore encourage one another and build up one another, just as you also are doing [with these words]. 1 Thess. 5

  These verses pertain to the coming Rapture of Saints (believers):

  1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
  
  Luke 17:34-37 - I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. (Read More...)
  
  1 Thessalonians 4:16 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
  
  Revelation 3:10 - Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

  While I'm gone during this time, there will be the most fantastic party in heaven the universe has ever seen. The Marriage Supper of the Lamb. In stark contrast, on earth, people will experience what it is like without the Holy Spirit (God on earth) restraining evil. It will be utterly horrifying. I think a lot of people will change their minds about inviting Jesus into their heart when they see the absence of good on the earth. Unfortunately, any who deny the mark of the beast will likely be murdered, but not forgotten.

  But I digress. Immediately after the marriage supper of the Lamb, Christ will visibly return to this earth to execute judgment on the Anti-Christ, put down evil, and set up His kingdom. He returns “with all His saints” (1 Th. 3:13), not just with the Church. Prior to the Tribulation the dead in Christ will be raised from the dead, those of us alive at that time will be changed, and together we shall all be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 sets this glorious hope, commonly called the Rapture, before us.
  

  So, what I am telling all my friends here is that if I stop posting here for a few years, and if you hear rumors that many people have mysteriously disappeared: I want you all to know one thing:
  
  

  
  
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  What's next?

  by lastmanstanding in

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  what's next for the world?

  a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

  and i shared that map with various friends.

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  Zech. 12: 3 - On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. (NIV)

  Imagine bulldozing a field and a small rock is encountered that the bulldozer cannot move out of the way. You get off the tractor and look at the stone and scratch your head because the stone seems to defy the laws of physics.

  You try again and again to push the stone out of the way, but your dozer just stops when the stone is hit. You try diging it out with a backhoe, you try blasting it out, but nothings seems to be able to move it.
  
  Wise people simply leave it alone.
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  What's next?

  by lastmanstanding in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what's next for the world?

  a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

  and i shared that map with various friends.

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  Sea Breeze

  What's going on in Israel is at the foundation of the US plan. And the Netanyahoo's over there are all too eager to participate because they think they will come out on top in a land grab.
  I assure you, they will burn.
  The prediction is not mine.

  @ lastmanstanding: Not yours? Here's the historical view on Daniel 11. The King of the North was Syria and the King of the South was Egypt.

  Projecting another layer of fulfillment beyound that is pretty dicey.

  What is definitely not in line with biblle bile prophecy is your statement about Israel burning:

  Many scriptures indicate that when the Lord regathers the people of Israael "a second time" from the four corners of the globe (as has happened steadily since around 1900 or so ) and after the two nations of Israel are combined into one (as happened in 1948) then, the nation of Israel will never again be totally destroyed and dispersed.
  
  See these prophecies, may of which, as I stated, have already happened.
  
  

  Isaiah 11:11-12

  Then it will happen on that day that the Lord

  Will again recover the second time with His hand

  The remnant of His people, who will remain,

  From Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath,

  And from the islands of the sea.

  And He will lift up a standard for the nations

  And assemble the banished ones of Israel,

  And will gather the dispersed of Judah

  From the four corners of the earth.

  Jeremiah 23:3-8

  “Then I Myself will gather the remnant of My flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and bring them back to their pasture, and they will be fruitful and multiply. I will also raise up shepherds over them and they will tend them; and they will not be afraid any longer, nor be terrified, nor will any be missing,” declares the Lord. “Behold, the days are coming,” declares the Lord,

  “When I will raise up for David a righteous Branch;

  And He will reign as king and act wisely

  And do justice and righteousness in the land.

  “In His days Judah will be saved,

  And Israel will dwell securely;

  And this is His name by which He will be called,

  ‘The Lord our righteousness.’ “Therefore behold, the days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when they will no longer say, ‘As the Lord lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of Egypt,’ but, ‘As the Lord lives, who brought up and led back the descendants of the household of Israel from the north land and from all the countries where I had driven them.’ Then they will live on their own soil.”

  Ezekiel 37:21-25

  Say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king will be king for all of them; and they will no longer be two nations and no longer be divided into two kingdoms. They will no longer defile themselves with their idols, or with their detestable things, or with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. And they will be My people, and I will be their God.read more.

  “My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd; and they will walk in My ordinances and keep My statutes and observe them. They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever.

  Isaiah 60:18-21

  “Violence will not be heard again in your land,

  Nor devastation or destruction within your borders;

  But you will call your walls salvation, and your gates praise.

  “No longer will you have the sun for light by day,

  Nor for brightness will the moon give you light;

  But you will have the Lord for an everlasting light,

  And your God for your glory.

  “Your sun will no longer set,

  Nor will your moon wane;

  For you will have the Lord for an everlasting light,

  And the days of your mourning will be over.

  “Then all your people will be righteous;

  They will possess the land forever,

  The branch of My planting,

  The work of My hands,

  That I may be glorified.

  Israel's current borders are very different than the borders God decreed in Scripture. The original borders will be restored.... doubtless in one of the coming failed attempts to remove Israel from the only real estate deal brokerd by God himself - the original land of Israel.
  
  I'm afraid thogh that Israel has much hardship to endure until they finally surrender and declare enmasse "blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord".In the end, when Israel is facing total destruction by the Anti-Christ, when they cry out like a sheep does when attacked by wolves. It is a special kind of sound the sheep makes when facing death.

  For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. - Jesus

  Due to the preaching of the real 144k (male Jewish virgins) during the great tribulation the entire nation will be begging, with strong outcries for the Blessed One to come back and be their King.... not like last time when the rulers conspired to kill him.
  
  Jesus will not return until his people beg him too. Israel has much humiliation to endure between now and then. But, one thing is certain. The Israli people will never again be without a homeland.... forever.
  
  
  

  zeaqah: a cry, outcry

  Original Word: זַעַק
  Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
  Transliteration: zeaqah
  Phonetic Spelling: (zah'-ak)
  Definition: a cry, outcry
  
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  Will Governing Body follow through with New Zealand Royal Commission's recommendation to publicly apologize?

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
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  'following on from an apology from the prime minister, the commission recommends all faith-based leaders offer a public apology, including the pope, the archbishop of canterbury, the president elect of the methodist church, the moderator of the presbyterian church in new zealand and the head of each individual presbyterian support organisation, the general of the salvation army, the overseeing shepherd of gloriavale, and the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses.'.

  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/govt-takes-blame-will-apologise-to-children-abused-and-tortured-in-state-care/ar-bb1qwoyt?ocid=bingnewsverp.

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  The WT has only been sorry that others doubt their supremacy. They are sincerely and truly sorry for that. Out of humility and respect for others, they typically don't express these feelings of sympathy openly. But those close to the GB have admitted as much.
  
  This level of delusion can't be fixed.
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  Sincerity

  by Sea Breeze in

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  christians ask jw's, is sincerity enough to save a person from the murderous reign of the anti-christ during the great tribulation?.

  all kidding aside; why do jw's seem to always point out their sincerity when their lies are exposed?

  they seem awfully proud of their sincereity.

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  carla, you are exactly right. I have heard over the years stuff like:

  1. Jehovah judges us based on our

  * intent

  * conscience

  * sincerity

  * motive

  Never even a hint that God judges us based on the ten commandments.

  Your statement about failed prophecies is spot on as well too. One prominent JW flat out told me that 1975 the failed prediction showed alertness (motive) even if they got it wrong. Why it never occurred to him (or me at that time) that the OT punishment for speaking in the name of God with a false prophecy was death, is quite odd looking back.

  Oh well, at least he was sincere, sincerely wrong.